Anka.A

I have two dogs, a RATO and a RATN. We've had to discontinue BH training for a number of reasons, primarily location dependent and weather related. We have now signed up for a mini nosework class and have had one session.

 

In BH, the dogs are off leash and are encouraged to work fast.

In NW, the dogs are on leash and are asked to be slow and methodical in their search.

My RATO is very energetic and fast. He'll do a climb and then flies from bale tower to bale tower. He'll come to ground level if he catches an air scent and will then scurry around until he gets the rat. The NW trainer would like him to slow down and be "more methodical" in his searches. During the one NW lesson we've had he has found all 3 treats in 15 boxes on two levels without working very hard at it.

My concern is, if I slow Ollie down, on lead, at NW, am I inhibiting his hunt drive for BH when we take that up again in the spring?

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Donna Crary-Johnson DonnaCrary-Johnson
I do both, and by dogs understand the difference, In Scent work, they "stick" the scent and lay down, in BH they hunt very happy and scratch at the tubes.   We are in Advance Scent work and are 1 Q away from RATCH.  
It will not hurt your dogs at all.  I think it even helps them fine tune their smellers  🙂
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Pam Opanowitz BHAJ-100A
I agree...the dogs know the different.   Awhile back we were at a trial where there was barnhunt and Scentwork.  Lucy went from Qing in scentwork straight into the barnhunt ring and Qing in Master.  Different indicators as well.
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oreohunts
I have a crazy fast dog that is at RATCH6 in Barnhunt and two trials away from Elite Champion in NACSW and has no problem going back and forth.  As you progress in nosework you can run off leash in some searches.  My dog bursts into a room when off leash but settles down and searches quickly.  They can catch odor even moving quickly.  You should have no problem and will have a blast.  Good luck!
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BarbaraNovak
My Doberman got his RATCHX and then started Nosework training. He now has his NW3-2. I have to disagree with your Nosework trainer who wants you to slow your dog down and have him be methodical at the start of his training. Hunt drive is just as important in Nosework as it is in Barn Hunt. Over time, with experience and repetition, your dog will learn to cover the area in Nosework without slowing down until they are "in odor". Enthusiasm and speed can be achieved easily in Nosework with a hunt driven dog. My dog competes in both and uses speed in both sports. He has done Container searches in NW3 in under 15 seconds.
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Samiel
I don't think it would affect your dog in BH but it may decrease his enthusiasm for nosework if he's controlled so much.  My dogs do both BH and Nosework.  I let them hunt in both venues according to their individual styles. One is slower and more careful in both, one is racing around as fast as possible in both. He has his RATCH, CWAGS Level 4 nosework and 1 Q from AKC Advanced overall.  I find that after the fast one has made 1-2 quick circles of the nosework search area and indicated any he found, that he slows down a bit on his own to go back and search better for any remaining items.  I watch in both venues to see if he checked everywhere.  If not, I'll suggest he go look in those spots, but most of the time he gets everywhere on his own.  I would be very hesitant to slow down a dog and risk losing his enthusiasm for the sport.   
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Brenda Hinkemeyer BHAJ-203A
I have only ever trained for barn hunt with nosework. There was no training back when I started. It is the searching process that they need to learn.
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Anka.A
Thank you very much for your detailed response.


Samiel wrote:
I don't think it would affect your dog in BH but it may decrease his enthusiasm for nosework if he's controlled so much.  My dogs do both BH and Nosework.  I let them hunt in both venues according to their individual styles. One is slower and more careful in both, one is racing around as fast as possible in both. He has his RATCH, CWAGS Level 4 nosework and 1 Q from AKC Advanced overall.  I find that after the fast one has made 1-2 quick circles of the nosework search area and indicated any he found, that he slows down a bit on his own to go back and search better for any remaining items.  I watch in both venues to see if he checked everywhere.  If not, I'll suggest he go look in those spots, but most of the time he gets everywhere on his own.  I would be very hesitant to slow down a dog and risk losing his enthusiasm for the sport.   
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Vicki
I have no trouble doing both. My terv will get her RATCHX6 today & she is in the Master Class of AKC scentwork & has her NW1.
She works very fast in BH & knows to slow down in NW. She does work quickly but is accurate. Good luck!
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