Karen McClean BHAJ-231A
Seeking clarification on prong collars. Rules state that ‘covered’ prong collars are allowed (with specifications for release type). My question is re: covered.  Does this mean that we only allow ‘stealth prong collars’ - i.e. the ones disguised as limited slip webbing collars with the prongs inside?  Or are naked prong collars allowed too?  I can’t really come up with a good explanation as to why only covered ones would be allowed ...and I have a tiny lady with a big strong dog, super friendly but with no impulse control.  She cannot control him on a regular collar...they are literally unsafe walking on a flat collar. Trying to work on that but I don’t know that she will have the confidence to use non prong collar for a very long time. Her current prong collar uncouples so she will need to get a new one and I need to make sure she gets one that is usable.
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Sharon Webb Sharon Webb
I have a very nice (fairly expensive) buckle prong collar. I have a cute bandana that I put on my dog, covering the collar without affecting the functionality 
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Karen McClean BHAJ-231A
Wondering if I could get an actual clarification on the question / rule as stated.  I still need some info to pass on to my student.   If covered is mandated, would Sharon's solution meet requirements?  Robin?  Thanks in advance!
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Robin Nuttall Robin_N
It just says covered and quick snap. it doesn't specify which kind of cover, so yes.
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Pam Opanowitz BHAJ-100A
I read covered prong as a type of collar...which it is.  Several of my students have obtained these for use at trials since they are now legal.   I understand the requirement for a buckle collar for ease of removal and re-leashing after the run.    I "surmised" that the reason for the "covered" part was to make it appear as a normal collar to the general public since this is a spectator sport.  If a dog now has a regular buckle prong on and a bandana...the handler now has to take off the bandana, then take off the collar/leash.   The general public will still see that the dog was brought in on a prong collar and extra time will be taken to both take off the bandana and the collar/leash and to re leash then re tie the bandana.    I must have misunderstood the reason for the "covered" part of the rule. 

Since Robin has specified that this is legal I'll now go back and first apologize to students who spent money on a new covered prong collar and secondly let all know that they can cover their buckle prong with a bandana and be legal.   However, I will let them know that I personally think the all in one covered prong is the best way to go.  
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Robin Nuttall Robin_N

Pam, I'm pretty sure you don't take off the bandana before removing the collar. I agree with you that the all in one covered prong is the best way to go. I am not going to specifically advocate a brand, but there are several out there.

 

 

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Jan Huff BHAJ-104A
While I love this rule, I never thought that a bandana would meet the "covered" part of this rule.  But, if you say its okay, that's what I will also tell my students.  Since they go on two different ways, though, the handler will have to take them off separately and put them on separately.  Shouldn't take much longer than a harness, though.

Thanks for the clarification!
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Robin Nuttall Robin_N
I would indeed discourage having to remove the bandana and replace it. I've actually seen bandanas with the prongs through the bandana and that is what I was thinking. Plus, the collar does have to be a snap collar. No undoing a prong.
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Soulstorm Dog Sports

Just to be a pain, I have an added question.  For the sport prongs that are full, rather that the wire style, should those be covered as well?  They already don't look like prongs.

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Robin Nuttall Robin_N
No. That is not a prong or covered prong. I would not consider it a legal collar.
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Soulstorm Dog Sports
Huh, glad I asked then. I only ever use sport prongs I guess I wont use any. 🙂
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jmmill
I was under the impression that the idea of a covered prong collar was that it would have a quick release, not that anyone is trying to disguise the fact that they are using a prong collar.   A bandana over the collar just seems like excess baggage. 
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HLBenson

I'd like to advocate for the plastic prong pictured above. (aka Starmark collar). Its easy to take on and off even for older people & behaves and works just as a prong collar. Its the same thing, just plastic. Its often used in training as an introductory prong.  While I question the 'need' to use a covered prong, the starmark also looks almost like a normal collar when on the dog. Plus its not overkill for that that dont need quite the control of a metal prong.

It would certainly be in the best interest of dogs and handlers if what is already consider a type of prong in the training world, was also considered one in the BH rules.

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Soulstorm Dog Sports
HLBenson wrote:

It would certainly be in the best interest of dogs and handlers if what is already consider a type of prong in the training world, was also considered one in the BH rules.

I agree.  I use the starmark on young dogs and use hermsprenger necktech on my adults.  They are large, strong dogs, very excited about ratting, but a moderate correction is sufficent to keep them under control. I'll just use a flat if we can't use sport prongs though, and that's fine too.

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Richard Myers Rich_Myers_BHAJ-248A
As a judge, I have to say that I wholeheartedly now advocate for the complete opposite of inclusion of prongs. The reason I have for this is that when covered prongs with a quick release were allowed in the new rules I had an idea in my head that we could accept any version of a prong that did not appear to be bare wire and had a quick release mechanism. That in fact included the plastic prongs with quick release in my interpretation. With Robin’s response, now I question what definition we go with and thus when and how to describe that I am in fact NQing someone and why I’m doing that. “Well X has a prong and didn’t get NQ!”, my response would have to be “but theirs is covered” or “that’s not a prong collar as defined by the BHA”.

Plus we need a place to point to that definition. It definitely has now opened up a can of worms from a judging perspective and leaves gaping holes in definition and applicability. 
Rich Myers
BHAJ-248A
Niagara Falls, NY
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